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May 24, 2018

Huge sums of money—more than $2.6bn—have been spent on Impressionist, Modern and contemporary art over the past two weeks in New York. On today’s podcast, Nicholas Maclean (of London and New York dealership Eykyn Maclean) and Allan Schwartzman (co-founder of AAP), discuss with our host Charlotte Burns (editor of In Other Words), what happened: what the surprises were; what trends we can detect; and what's going to happen next. 

Here are some choice soundbites:

"It is a sign that the market is starved for broadening what it sees as valuable. This is a big triumph; this is a turning point in perception” — Allan Schwartzman 

"I honestly thought that this could be the death knell for the Impressionist market. And then we saw it: that change between 2005 and 2008 was extraordinary” — Nicholas Maclean

"This question of identities seems to me to be a very American one. I think Americans, and perhaps the American market, are more open to approaching their own identities” — Charlotte Burns

"True collectors who will just look across the board and look at artists that tell the whole story are becoming rarer” — Nicholas Maclean

For this and more, tune in today.

Transcript link:

http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-auction-analysis/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

May 17, 2018

“There’s no goal to being an artist—you keep doing it and then, in theory, one dies,” says Carroll Dunham, who Allan Schwartzman describes as one of the greatest painters of the past 40 years.

Art is a “kind of lustful driving forwards” for Dunham, who has moved from abstraction to figuration over the course of his varied career. Works from his “Wrestlers” series are currently on show at Gladstone Gallery in New York (until 16 June). “I wanted to try to find a male equivalent to the women that I had been drawing and painting, which I had thought of as being rather primeval in some way,” Dunham says. “They are naked white guys beating the crap out of each other. I’m not claiming any special relevance or meaning for these things. They just allow me to keep making paintings.”

Dunham talks to Schwartzman and host Charlotte Burns about how his life and work—and the broader art community—have changed since moving from the bustle of New York, where he spent his early career, to the solitude of rural Connecticut.

Known for his incisive writing about other artists’ work, Dunham discusses how this exercise has helped his practice. The essays included in the recently published Into Words: The Selected Writings of Carroll Dunham (2017) represented "a diagram of my issues with myself and things I was grappling with in my own work”, he says.

For this, and much more, tune in today. 

Transcript link:

http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-carroll-dunham/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

May 3, 2018

One of the most talked about exhibitions this year, “Outliers and American Vanguard Art”, closes next week at the National Gallery of Art in Washington, DC (13 May), after which it will travel to the High Museum in Atlanta and then to LACMA. 

Our guest today is Lynne Cooke, the senior curator of special projects at the NGA who spent five years researching the exhibition. Talking to our host Charlotte Burns, Cooke says much of the art on show was made by people on the peripheries, often in marginalized positions because of their gender, race, class or age. “A great deal was made by African-American artists. Their work is simply not entered into the circuits and orbits of the contemporary art world for lack of opportunity, for lack of education, for lack of money. As I said: class, race.” 

The exhibition comprises around 270 works by more than 80 artists and focuses on periods of social, political, economic and cultural upheaval in the United States, during which times the boundaries between the avant-garde and the outliers—self-taught, marginalized, Outsider artists—became more porous. 

One of the most thoughtful curators working today, Cooke talks to us about her experience preparing the show, which “called into question a whole set of ideas about creativity and the basis on which innovation and originality and exploration take place”.

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-lynne-cooke/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Apr 19, 2018

This week we bring you a special episode from Hong Kong, where we staged our first ever live In Other Words event on 29 March, a panel discussion on "The Future of The Museum”. Our guests included Michael Govan, director, Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA); Doryun Chong, deputy director and chief curator, M+ in Hong Kong; and Allan Schwartzman. The panel was introduced by Kevin Ching, CEO of Sotheby’s Asia and moderated by Charlotte Burns. 

Joining us remotely was Budi Tek, the founder of the Yuz Museum and Foundation, Shanghai, who broke the news of an unprecedented collaboration between Yuz and LACMA. This opened a discussion about the increasing willingness of museum directors and private patrons to collaborate and share. Our panelists also spoke about where innovation is taking place geographically; about cultural norms and how they manifest differently region to region; and about new technologies, such as augmented reality, and how they might impact museums and exhibition making. These are, of course, just a few of the topics covered. Tune in for the rest. 

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-the-future-of-the-museum-2/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Apr 5, 2018

Almost two million people so far have visited the blockbuster exhibition “David Bowie Is”, on show now at the Brooklyn Museum (until 15 July).

The exhibition was masterminded by Geoffrey Marsh, the director of London's Victoria and Albert Museum (V&A) theater and performing arts department. He has organized several other major “immersive” exhibitions, harnessing state-of-the-art audio and visuals to tell narratives in new ways, such as “You Say You Want A Revolution? Records and Rebels 1966-1970” (2016-17) and “Pink Floyd: Their Mortal Remains” (2017).

He joins our host Charlotte Burns in London to talk about combing through Bowie’s collection to tell the story of how this music legend evolved.

Marsh also talks about how new technologies—specifically augmented reality—are about to change the ways in which exhibitions are curated and experienced, as well as the role of the museum itself.

He also discusses his dream exhibition: “a show so powerful that probably 10% of people would walk out because they hated it. For the other 90%, it would have had a very profound effect. I know it’s possible,” Marsh says. Pointing out that most people can remember seeing their first dinosaur skeleton in museums, he believes there is “something hardwired into us about profound visual experiences which, in a weird way, I think we may have lost in museums and galleries.” That sense of curiosity and wonder is something Marsh is working to bring back as we enter what he calls a “golden age of museums being able to engage with completely new publics in different ways”.

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Mar 22, 2018

The gallerists Daniella Luxembourg and Amalia Dayan specialize in cutting-edge Contemporary art and overlooked 20th-century art. They have in common with AAP co-founder Allan Schwartzman a passion for postwar Italian art and, during this podcast, the trio discuss the market for art from this period.

They also discuss this current moment as one of real transition in the broader market, during which time tastes and demand are shifting. During the conversation, moderated by host Charlotte Burns, Luxembourg & Dayan speak about the difference between their London and New York businesses (Europe sells and America buys) and what impact Brexit might have. They talk about ugliness and struggle in art; the fall of Empires; their own personal obsessions—art and food. 

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-daniella-luxembourg-amalia-dayan/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Mar 8, 2018

Jerry Saltz, perhaps the most well-known art writer working today, has been the senior art critic of New York magazine since 2006. During this interview with our host Charlotte Burns, which was recorded in the downtown offices of New York magazine, Saltz talks about a range of topics: from how he approaches viewing and reviewing art, to what he calls the “ass-holeness” of his social media persona. 

Before becoming a critic, Saltz was an artist and a long-distance truck driver, and he discusses the benefits of being a late-bloomer. He defines what great art means to him and describes a recent exhibition of work by an artist who could be the “strongest to emerge this century in America." We are, he says, “living in a crisis and it’s time to look at the art of the present. I want to see what artists say now.”

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-jerry-saltz/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Feb 22, 2018

From fetching beer for Joseph Beuys to the implications of Brexit and new borders, the Austrian art dealer Thaddaeus Ropac talks frankly about a range of topics in a conversation with our host Charlotte Burns, including the dangers of becoming too corporate; plans for his own collection; and his expectations for the art market in 2018. 

Recorded in London, where Galerie Thaddaeus Ropac recently opened a fifth space (there are four others across Salzburg and Paris), Ropac shares his views on topics including the emerging art centres in the Middle East and China; the vibrancy of the Paris art scene; the pervasiveness of art fairs; and the importance of maintaining the trust of his artists. 

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-thaddaeus-ropac/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Feb 8, 2018

During his 31 years as the exhibitions secretary at London’s Royal Academy, Sir Norman Rosenthal staged groundbreaking exhibitions of art including the legendary show, “A New Spirit in Painting” (1981), which brought artists such as Joseph Beuys, Gerhard Richter and Georg Baselitz to broader recognition.

"Art is entertainment, but entertainment in the best sense of the word," he says in our latest podcast, speaking to host Charlotte Burns. “Museums, in the end, are like cupboards. And with the contents of the cupboards you have to try and make beautiful things—exhibitions that can tell with genuine artifacts aspects of the great story of art and human civilization.”

Since leaving the RA in 2008, Rosenthal has organized exhibitions and written essays for a number of organizations such as Gagosian, the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford and Galerie Thaddaeus Ropac (“If you're freelance, you are a kind of whore—but you can choose your clients," he says).

No stranger to controversy, Rosenthal talks us through his views on restitution and commerce ("the best dealers are nearly always ahead of the best curator. You name a curator who's really made a really serious decision about "the future”, he says) and tells us where he finds great art today.

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-norman-rosenthal/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Jan 25, 2018

Whether hauling ice from the Arctic, partnering with SpaceX or training as a deep-sea diver, the artist Tavares Strachan works on an ambitious scale—often at the cutting edge of technology. He largely operates beyond the gallery model, instead relying on patrons, partnerships and collaborations to create innovative works of art. 

The Bahamian-born artist, who was recently appointed to the MIT and RISD boards, is interested in overlooked or forgotten histories and “operating in a state of play”. His work ranges from multimedia installations to large-scale earthworks and is often an exercise in creative problem solving. Speaking to our host Charlotte Burns, he says: “If there's a way that art can actually affect the way we think about the world, it is forcing us to think about the gray, about where we overlap and how we're actually the same. If we spend more time focusing on that as an exercise, we may be able to move some immovable ideas.” 

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-tavares-strachan/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Jan 11, 2018

”In the particular political moment in which we live, the question of authority and voice has become increasingly important,” says Glenn Lowry, director of MoMA. ”Who has the right to speak for whom? How do we imagine someone else's voice?”

In this wide-ranging conversation, Lowry describes the museum as a crucible during a ”very flammable moment” and talks about the role of culture today. He discusses technology at the museum and the value of thinking slowly. Talking with host Charlotte Burns, Lowry covers various topics including MoMA’s expansion, the possibilities of closer institutional collaboration, the importance of anxiety—and lots more besides. 

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-22-transcript-glenn-lowry/

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

Dec 14, 2017

“We're in a moment where we are all paying attention to what's going on in the headlines. Many artists are thinking about what kind of world their work is entering into, and how to respond to or deal with the times we live in,” says Christopher Y. Lew, co-curator of the 2017 Whitney Biennial, who talks about his travels across America researching emerging art for the biennial.

For a transcript of the show, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-21-transcript-christopher-y-lew-talks-emerging-art/

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

 

 

Nov 30, 2017

Artist Walter Robinson immortalizes appetites and desires in his work, painting beer, blue jeans and burgers, magazine models and pulpy paperback romances. Known as the founding editor of Artnet magazine, where he worked from 1996 until 2012, Robinson has been a habitual chronicler of the New York art world. He first flirted with success as an artist in the 1980s, making nurse paintings before Richard Prince and spin paintings before Damien Hirst. But, then, he stopped making art. Over the past few years he has returned to painting and, today, we talk to him about his many lives.

For a transcript of the show, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-20-transcript-walter-robinson/

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

Nov 16, 2017

From "Poor Art" to politics in art, in this wide-ranging conversation between curator and art historian Germano Celant and Allan Schwartzman address topics including the ways in which the American art market has defined art history; how they work with artists to realize wildly ambitious projects; the difficulties in determining whether works are authentic; corruption in art; and rewriting the history of art. For this, and much more, tune in today.

For a transcript, click here: bit.ly/IOWEp19

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

Nov 2, 2017

The art industry is changing rapidly and, in this episode, Tad Smith (president and CEO of Sotheby's) and Allan Schwartzman discuss how they respond to the challenges and opportunities that this presents. Bringing different perspectives to the conversation, they discuss how to create change and foster innovation.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-18-transcript-tad-smith-allan-schwartzman/

Oct 19, 2017

“The strength of two people together is enormous. That's why, all over the world, people and creatures are divided into two.” Artists Gilbert & George have been creating "Art for All" since they met as students in the 1960s. “In the old days, when we were socially involved with artists, they always would tell you they're always nervous of what to do next. We never had that problem. We were always really ready for whatever,” say the inimitable duo during this lively discussion about their work, their habits and their artistic philosophies.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-17-transcript-gilbert-george/

Oct 5, 2017

“Romare Bearden was asked in a 1972 interview with Camille Billops how he would define black art, and he said that black art is the art that black artists do,” says Tate's Zoe Whitley. "If someone were to say: 'What is white art?' you might say the Italian Renaissance, but you could equally say the German Renaissance, Rembrandt or English painting. Black art is as varied as that.”

Joining us in London to discuss contemporary African art are Zoe Whitley, the curator and writer Osei Bonsu, and Sotheby's Hannah O’Leary. In a broad-ranging conversation, we cover the challenges of bringing more recognition to artists who have lived or worked on the Continent or been part of its diaspora.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-16-transcript-contemporary-african-art/

Sep 21, 2017

A literature professor and Fulbright scholar turned investment banker, 90-year old Herbert Lust has one of the leading collections of works by artists including Alberto Giacometti, Robert Indiana and Hans Bellmer, among others. 

Lust, who in 1969 wrote one of the first books about art collecting as an investment, talks to our host Charlotte Burns about his extraordinary life, discussing his friendships with artists and passing along some advice for collectors.

Robert Indiana: Works from the Collection of Herbert Lust” is on show at S|2 Gallery from 8 September until 6 October 

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

Sep 7, 2017

"People really want to deal with the present, but it's just extremely difficult to get a grasp of where we are now," says Gregor Muir, Tate's Director of Collection, International Art.

Grappling with issues of how to think internationally during a period of increasing nationalism, Muir talks about how (and where) he is looking to discover great art. This broad-ranging conversation covers topics ranging from the technological revolution to Muir's own experiences moving between commercial galleries and museums; from changes in film and video art practice to the shifting dynamic between private and public art worlds.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-14-transcript-gregor-muir/

Aug 17, 2017

For the first of three special feature episodes from London, we are joined by Hans Ulrich Obrist, the artistic director of the Serpentine Galleries. The endlessly energetic Obrist—who has himself interviewed more than 300 people throughout his career, from artists and architects to scientists and philosophers—talks to our host Charlotte Burns about how art can change the world and shape new realities. 

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-13-how-art-can-change-the-world/

Jul 20, 2017

Michael Govan, the director and CEO of the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, joins us for a special feature podcast from California. We talk about the future for Lacma—from the transformation of the campus to the possibilities of sharing the collection and opening branches elsewhere. We discuss subjects from fundraising and philanthropy in LA, the role of museums in brokering cultural identities and the importance of "embracing the power of difference" to VR technology in art.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-12-michael-govan/

Jun 29, 2017

Which is easier to navigate: the market or museums? Joining us to discuss this—and much more—are Jeffrey Deitch and Lisa Dennison. Jeffrey has worn many hats in the art world—gallerist, advisor, collector, director of LA MoCA and even artist—and will be opening a new gallery in Los Angeles this autumn. Lisa is the former director of the Guggenheim Museum who joined Sotheby’s in 2007, focusing on international business development.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-11/

Jun 15, 2017

Joining our host Charlotte Burns for a discussion on the state of the art media are Jori Finkel, a regular contributor to the New York Times and the West Coast correspondent for The Art Newspaper; Judd Tully, the award-winning journalist who is the Editor-At-Large at Blouin Art + Auction magazine; and Amy Cappellazzo, co-founder of Art Agency, Partners and Chairman at Sotheby's Global Fine Arts division. 

From changing business models to the impact of the internet, they touch on challenges in the media as well as reasons to be cheerful. 

This is a topic we may come back to at a later date, with different perspectives on the same, changing, subject. 

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: 

http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-10-the-art-media/

Jun 1, 2017

We're introducing a new feature for the ninth episode of "In Other Words", a one-on-one interview with a person who has taken an unusual approach to making their way in the art world— someone who has taken the road less travelled.

Joining us this week, Joel Mesler tells us why he recently left Manhattan's Lower East Side to open an art gallery in East Hampton, Rental Gallery. Joel, who is an artist as well as a dealer, talks to us about what it takes to survive in the industry.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-9-the-road-less-travelled-with-joel-mesler/

May 16, 2017

The artist, critic, curator and former Dean of the Yale School of Art Robert Storr joins Amy Cappellazzo, AAP co-founder and Sotheby's Chairman of Global Fine Arts, and Charlotte Burns, senior editor of In Other Words, for our eighth episode. Together, they discuss what it means to be radical in today's art world, weighing the critical and commercial distinctions between globalism, internationalism and cosmopolitanism.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here:
http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-8-being-radical-with-robert-storr/

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