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The Art World: What If...?!

What if we reimagined everything in culture, from painting to patronage? Tune in to The Art World: What If…?! to hear leading thinkers, creators and innovators in art rethink the system, exploring the consequences with wit, wisdom and humor. Join art journalist Charlotte Burns and world-renowned art advisor Allan Schwartzman as they exclusively interview museum leaders, collectors and artists including MoMA director Glenn Lowry, Guggenheim deputy director Naomi Beckwith, non-profit leader Kemi Ilesanmi, curator Cecilia Alemani and Sandra Jackson-Dumont, the director of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art and many others over the course of the series. From the team behind In Other Words and Hope & Dread, The Art World: What If…?! is brought to you by Schwartzman& for Art& and produced by Studio Burns.
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Jan 26, 2023

What if we reimagine the role of the museum? What if we bring more intention to what culture can be and do—and by whom and for whom? What if we tell ourselves different stories? In this episode, host Charlotte Burns talks to Sandra Jackson-Dumont, the CEO and director of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art—a new museum founded by filmmaker George Lucas and his businesswoman wife, Mellody Hobson. The institution, which is set to open in Los Angeles in 2025 is one of the most potentially exciting museums in America or around the world, given the scope of its ambition and size. Sandra says: “We’re building an institution, a 200+ year proposition. And we’re doing it amidst the most uncertain moments in our time.” Who better to help us tackle hypotheticals— including dismantling the idea of high and low, and entirely new ways of thinking about art? Join us and tune in.

Jan 19, 2023

What if the world was without ethics? What if financial value was no longer the way we talk about success? Cecilia Alemani, artistic director of the 59th Venice Biennale and director and chief curator of High Line Art in New York City joins host Charlotte Burns to discuss the role of the curator today. 

Cecilia masterminded the recent Biennale through the pandemic to rave reviews, notably for the cool manner in which she presented a new version of art history, bringing focus without fanfare to female and non gender conforming artists and to Indigenous artists. 
 
Tune in for more.
Jan 12, 2023

What if we all name our dreams before following them? This episode we welcome Kemi Ilesanmi, the now-former Executive Director of The Laundromat Project, the non-profit focusing on the art of the everyday, amplifying community and artists as citizens and change agents. This show is all about what ifs, and Kemi operates from that place of abundant possibility. What if businesses invested in their staff, seeding future next generations? What if arts organizations functioned as community assets? Tune in for more.

Jan 12, 2023
What if we separated who funds the museum from who runs the museum on a board level? This episode, host Charlotte Burns welcomes Glenn Lowry who’s been the director of the Museum of Modern Art in New York since 1995. He's led the institution through two vast expansions, and, of course, periods of profound change. This is a frank and revealing conversation covering a lot of ground. What if competition and collaboration were the same? What if museums refuse to take in so many works of art? Join us for more. 
Jan 12, 2023

“Not just what if—but what are we missing?” In the first episode of this new podcast, host Charlotte Burns is joined by Naomi Beckwith, the Deputy Director and Jennifer and David Stockman Chief Curator of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum. Someone actively working to recalibrate the field in the most exciting and dynamic ways, Naomi starts this episode with science before moving onto museums—and how we can create change. What if our textbooks were Black? What if we decentered the Western world in conversations about art? Tune in for more. 

Dec 21, 2022

Welcome to The Art World: What If...?! the latest podcast from the makers of In Other Words and Hope & Dread. The first episode will be available on 12 January 2023 and new shows will come out every Thursday.

 

Jul 12, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Phyllis Mitz brings you a vision for the future in this interview with astrologer Phyllis Mitz.

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Jul 12, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Maya Benton features photography curator Maya Benton, who talks about staring down Neo-Nazi protestors. 

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Jul 7, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Sandra Jackson-Dumont brings you more from the inaugural director and CEO of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art, which is scheduled to open in Los Angeles next year.

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Jul 5, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Issy Wood brings you a conversation with the talented young artist Issy Wood. 

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Jun 28, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Kathy Halbreich features a conversation with Kathy Halbreich, the executive director of the Robert Rauschenberg Foundation, about why she has put artists at the center of her vision of creating change.

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Jun 28, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Black Trustee Alliance focuses on a new organization—the Black Trustee Alliance—that hopes to bring change to the museum field. Tune in to hear from the collector and philanthropist Victoria Rogers, who is co-chair of BTA and Brooke Minto, its executive director.

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Jun 23, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Lulani Arquette brings you the highlights of our interview with the president and CEO of the Native Arts and Cultures Foundation, which is in the middle of an expansion into a new building in Portland, Oregon. 

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Jun 21, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Dr. Kelli Morgan brings you more from Kelli Morgan, who recently left the museum field for academia after experiencing profound racism. She is now the professor of the practice and director of curatorial studies, history of art and architecture at Tufts University in Massachusetts.

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Jun 16, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Tiffany Sia features the artist, filmmaker, and writer Tiffany Sia who recently left Hong Kong for fear of her safety..

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Jun 14, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Lord Ed Vaizey brings you more from the former UK culture minister, Lord Vaizey of Didcot, who ran the Department for Culture, Media and Sport from 2010 to 2016 under a Conservative government. 

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Jun 9, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Max Hollein brings you some highlights from our interview with the Marina Kellen French Director of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, who talks about his vision for the museum. 

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Jun 7, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Michael Armitage focuses on a conversation with artist Michael Armitage, who recently founded the Nairobi Contemporary Arts Institute (NCAI).

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Jun 2, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Hamza Walker brings you more from a season favorite—Hamza Walker, the director of LAXART in Los Angeles—who talks about an exhibition of decommissioned Confederate monuments he is co-organizing with artist Kara Walker.

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

May 31, 2022

Hope & Dread Extra: Amy Webb brings you more from the futurist Amy Webb, founder and CEO of the Future Today Institute and author of The Genesis Machine: Our Quest to Rewrite Life in the Age of Synthetic Biology

Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn’t have room for within the documentary series. But we didn’t want to leave them on the cutting room floor. Join hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman for new Hope & Dread Extra every Tuesday and Thursday.

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

May 18, 2022

For the final episode, hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman are joined by the series’ editorial advisors, Deana Haggag, Mia Locks and Jay Sanders. They’ll highlight key discoveries and plot some of the changes that have occurred during production of the programs. Where does power reside now in the art world? What does that mean for broader society? And, of course, in the middle of 2022, do our guests feel inclined toward Hope or Dread? Tune in for more.

Guests: Deana Haggag, Mia Locks, Jay Sanders

May 4, 2022

As shifts in power scramble the chessboard, how are our guests reacting to the pace of change? Our interviewees—from critics to museum directors, philanthropists to an astrologer—share their tips for dealing with discomfort. The stakes are high: tune in to hear some of the solutions. 

New episodes available every other Wednesday. 

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Guests: Lulani Arquette, Maya Benton, Tim Blum, Roxane Gay, Deana Haggag, Kathy Halbreich, Phyllis Mitz, Dr. Kelli Morgan, Tiffany Sia, Hank Willis Thomas, The Rt Hon Lord Vaizey of Didcot, Hamza Walker and Amy Webb

Apr 20, 2022

In the second of two episodes dedicated to the art market, Charlotte Burns turns to her series co-host; the richly experienced art advisor, critic and curator Allan Schwartzman, as he offers his understanding of where the market sits now—and how it may look in the future. Drawing out trends, strands, opportunities and obstacles, this program represents an intimate insight into an ever-fluctuating industry.

New episodes available every other Wednesday. 

For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn / Facebook

Apr 6, 2022

In the first of two episodes dedicated to the business of art, Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman trace the changing contours of an industry defined by dealmaking. Power within the art trade is held by a few key players and yet, the art market shapes the lives and livelihoods of almost everyone working in art.

In an art world that likes to season the cold logic of commodities trading with the language of inclusion, passion and creation, we speak to dealers, artists and futurologists to discover how — from the local to the global, from private passions to international politics and economics—everything is touched by the market.

Tune in to find out. 

Guests: Tim Blum, Roxane Gay, Melanie Gerlis, Kathy Halbreich, Pam Kramlich, Larry Marx and Issy Wood

Mar 23, 2022

In a series dedicated to tectonic shifts in power in art, why did we wait so long to devote a show to the artists themselves? Well, we wanted to paint a picture of the landscape in which those creators now live and work - and as you’ve heard, it is complex. In this episode we hear from artists who want to change the system with their own foundations, support networks and big ideas. These are stories of civic and artistic philanthropy that aren’t about engraving your name in granite but about changing the system—while making meaningful work. But when that big payday comes knocking, how do you stay true to your dream? Tune in to find out.

Guests: Michael Armitage, Jackson Polys, Tiffany Sia, Hank Willis Thomas and Issy Wood

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